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Power of the Parent 6: S3 Ep6: Rebecca Candy – Change Manager and Parent Network Co-Chair

Power of the Parent 6: S3 Ep6: Rebecca Candy – Change Manager and Parent Network Co-Chair

For the final episode of the series I had the pleasure of chatting to Becky Candy – an utterly brilliant advocate for supporting parents in the workplace. By day Becky is a change manager and co-chair of the parent network at her employer, and by… well the rest of the day… Becky is a solo parent to her son and currently navigating her own diagnosis of autism. 

In a recent LinkedIn post Becky described her own experience of ‘taking off the mask’ in sharing her diagnosis, and it was incredible to read. Becky shares very generously her first hand experiences of being neurodiverse when you’re a parent and her reflections on what it’s meant in the workplace.  

One of the mic drop moments for me was when Becky said that she’d never really shared what she needs and has spent a lot of time walking towards what others require – and the power of meeting in the middle. 

We also spent time unpicking some of the negative narrative we can tell ourselves about our uniqueness, and how they genuinely can be what set us apart and power us. It was one heck of a conversation!

Episode Transcript

Charlotte Speak  0:06 

Hello and welcome to Power of the Parent, the podcast. I’m your host Charlotte speak, I’m a level seven CMI accredited coach, a strength scope Master Practitioner, Mental Health First Aider and talent consultant. And I’m also the face behind Power of the Parent. In this podcast, I’ll be speaking to parents in the workplace. Some of them are in traditionally employed roles, others are running their own businesses and we’re having conversations about life in general, insights about being a parent and having a career and exploring the strengths that parenting has awoken for people. We will talk about things like the value that they’re bringing to the workplace, as well as my guests very generously sharing their personal stories and anecdotes about everything life can throw at us.

Hello, and welcome to today’s episode of Power of the Parent, the podcast. Today’s guest is a true champion of parents in the workplace, and I know first-hand that she works tirelessly to find new ways to engage and support both parents and line managers at her employer. More recently, they’ve shared a personal update about their journey to diagnosis of autism. In one heck of a LinkedIn post, Becky shared the feeling of taking the mask off and began to give insights into her experiences. By day, Becky Candy is a change manager and incredible co-chair of the Parent Network for her employer. And by, well, the rest of the day actually, she’s a solo parent, to not only her son, but the newest addition of some incredibly cute kittens. And I say that not being a major cat person, although I have just heard an anecdote about how they are creating habits so maybe my mind is being swayed. Becky, and I caught up briefly a couple of weeks ago to begin exploring her story. And I cannot wait to share this chat with you and her today. So, thank you so much for joining me, Becky.

Rebecca Candy  1:59 

Thank you, Charlotte, thank you for asking me to join you.

Charlotte Speak  2:02 

I know, well, I saw your LinkedIn post, I think we were like on the first day of holiday and I was a bit jet lagged and reading, like just having a scroll and I was like, oh, wow. Like, it was just such an incredible, powerful post. It was just amazing. I can’t find the right words, really. But it was absolutely incredible that you shared your story. Have you had lots of reaction to the post?

Rebecca Candy  2:28 

So much more reaction than I’d anticipated. I think the reason I put the post out in the first place was I was just having one of those, those moments as we all do in life and think you know what, I just need to get this out somewhere get this written somewhere of where I was at. And being that, that week was an Autism Awareness Week, I thought actually, let’s just start to write it for myself for cathartic reasons, and sort of turn out what was in my head, out there. And some of it was around, almost at reexploring, who I am and what feedback I’ve had in the past and looking at myself through a new lens and new self-discovery, really, and yes, so I posted it, and you know, you go off and you make a cup of tea, and you deal with the parenting stuff. And then later on that evening I sort of came back to, oh my goodness, there was a lot of reactions to it, a lot of comments, a lot of positivity, and you know, actually really nice to be embraced of actually who I am and you know, the things that I perceived as flaws, I have always perceived as flaws, weren’t seen as many flaws of other people and they, you know, it’s funny how you build it up as bigger in your own head as what these things are. And that that impact, I suppose, because it’s quite focused for you. But for them, actually, they sort of brought this you know, well, you’re all these things as well. And actually, those things that you see as flaws, actually, we value in you, which is probably the biggest revelation for me, personally.

Charlotte Speak  3:56 

To see yourself reflected in other people, when you have been talking yourself down or seeing things like you say the word flaws, it must be such like an awakening of, oh my goodness, that’s like, there’s a whole different view out there.

Rebecca Candy  4:10 

Yeah, there is. And I think, you know, I suppose when it comes as flaws, there’s probably you know, a perfectionist streak in that oh, you know, was trying to do your best and be the better version of yourself, etc. But I guess when you mostly seek feedback when you’re at work, and you are, you know, it’s coming to performance review. And you know, I was asked the questions, what are my strengths? What are my weaknesses? What can I try better? And as most people do, you need to see the strengths and think oh yeah, what are the weaknesses? What do I need to improve on? And those things always seem to come out louder, don’t they and clearer. And it’s interesting, you almost prompt that thought, that you’ve got this almost this hyper focus on the same things that keep coming up. And for me, it’s when I look back over years, there’s been a few themes that have, no matter what I’ve done, or what I felt I’ve tried to do to address them or look at them, they still keep coming up. For me now it’s nice to look at it in a different lens of, you know where I’m going on this journey that I believe I’ve got a neurodiversity, looking at what those things are from this new lens, from a neuro diverse lens, actually, they’re not things that I necessarily have control over, they are just my way of thinking, and the way my brain works or reacts, and it’s, for me, it’s become a bit lighter, in that I can look at them. I think in that, if I embrace them in a different way, I won’t be so negative about them, I won’t feel quite so negative and beat myself up about these things.

Charlotte Speak  5:45 

 And I think one of the, when you were talking, something that I was hearing, I suppose quite loudly was the whole kind of reframe, and getting to know yourself again, in this different light and understanding what your neuro diversity means to you. And I think I’ve got very little experience when it comes to neuro diversity, certainly first-hand, you can read so much, but that’s just clearly never ever going to be the same. But one of the things that I hear and see, a lot of parents actually, when they’re talking about it from their child’s perspective, is that feeling of not wanting to be labelled, and the impact that feeling like a label can have. And I think the way that you’ve talked about it there, it’s not about that, it’s not like a diagnosis that suddenly puts you in part of this camp of right, you’re this, this and that. Everybody’s completely different and you bring a new way of thinking to the table and a new way of feeling and experiencing. And you could see that in some of the examples that you’d given about your kind of way of operating in this LinkedIn post. I encourage everybody listening to go and find Becky’s post, she’s Rebecca Candy on LinkedIn, because I think it will be incredibly insightful for lots of people and hopefully pique some curiosity, because that’s certainly what it did for me, I was like, right, I want to go and learn some more about this. And I want to understand that route to adult diagnosis as well, because it’s quite a different experience, isn’t it being an adult and going through this?

Rebecca Candy  7:14 

I think so and I think that’s it. If it’s anything that I’ve ever identified in my life, and neurodiversity was identified through my childhood as being neurodiverse or something different from that. It’s only been, as you say, I’m the humble age of 45. If I say it quickly, it doesn’t, you know, sort of midway through my 40s, I’ve got a child who is nearly seven years old. And, you know, through that pandemic, through the last couple of years, quite an extreme situation where you sort of see, you know, we were forced to be together through lockdown, schools shut and you know, operating just, you know, us at home, and I got to observe my son’s, I suppose, his behaviours, his way of learning, his reaction, his anxieties, you know, there’s a whole bunch of bits and pieces that I saw from my son. And I started researching online as to, you know, what could this be, is there anything I can do to help and often the things that I was putting in, these key words were pulling up things like ADHD or autism. And so, I started to explore that myself going and, and reading more and more. And then there’s new literature out there, I guess now, which is different from when I was a child that girls often identify or show up in a different way to what is traditionally researched and how boys tend to show up with autism, particularly. And it was through this sort of Google, sort of going through and reading lots of different articles. But I start to think, oh, gosh, that that sounds a bit like me, this sounds like things that I do or my preferences or my sensory needs around loud noises and quiet space. And that realisation for me that, where lockdown had forced organisations to work from home, and my job work from home. For me, it was an absolute relief, and I realised actually how much pressure I had been in going to an office being amongst people. And whilst I love people, I love to chat, but I find it exhausting for myself personally. So, there are lots of these things that sort of happened to me that oh, if I don’t, let’s keep looking into it. And then I suppose publicly in the last couple of years there has been a couple of celebrities who have shared their stories. So, Melanie Sykes, and Christine McGinnis, about being females, late diagnosis and autism. And when they were sharing their stories, I thought, oh my goodness, that is so me, that is so me. And no wonder I struggle with some of these things if I’m autistic, so I thought you know what, the only way you can really do it is if there is labelling potentially or a diagnosis, a formal diagnosis, but then you don’t want to go down one road thinking you are one thing and you’re not actually so I have sort of, I am going through the formal route through the GP, and through the mentors of health team to get a formal diagnosis, but it’s a really long waiting list for the NHS, but my referral has been accepted so I am on the pathway, but it could take a number of years before I get a full diagnosis. So now faced with that information going, okay, this is a new lens, actually, how I can make myself feel better because it wasn’t identified when I was little, because I don’t have learning difficulties as such that were obvious, it’s not held me back in my education, you know, I was okay at school, I’ve got a degree, I’ve got a good job, I can operate really well, you know, I’ve got enough, you know, intelligence there. So, there was nothing that showed up from a learning disability and behaviourally, I’m fairly compliant, although a very stubborn, independent person, but fairly compliant. But I guess I’ve always learned from a young age to look and observe and fit in. And it’s this masking piece of appearing and being how you feel you fit in with the groups that you’re with and society. And that’s probably what exhausts me is because you’re overcompensating and thinking about how should I be here? What words should I say here? What should I be doing with my body, you know, I’m feeling really awkward, you know, I’ve got these thoughts here and so on, there’s this thing that goes on that, for me through my life, it wasn’t a learning disability that showed up, I then had more of the mental health issues. So, if I had through my late teens, and you know, my 20s, I was being treated for depression. Imposter Syndrome has always been a thing there although I didn’t know it was a thing, but always feeling at odds with people, although you’d never know it and you know, people wouldn’t detect that, but I felt it inside that, this just doesn’t feel right. This doesn’t feel comfortable. I’ve always been able to label it as something else and now it’s suddenly you think, okay, well, if this is for autism, or a neurodiversity, it might not just be autism, there could be a number of neurodiversity’s, that is my makeup, I can now start looking and go, actually, for all those years that I used to find telephone calls difficult because I can’t see someone’s face and I thought, oh, maybe my hearing is wrong and my hearing was absolutely fine. I’m thinking, well, why can I not concentrate easily when I can’t see someone’s face when talking etc. This could be a neurodiversity thing. So, it’s interesting how it then sort of, you can look back with a new lens, and that is so refreshing really, to be fair, and it is that learning self-discovery. And for me, it’s whilst, although I’m waiting for a formal diagnosis, I am able now to work with my teams at work, with my people manager, with my colleagues, and start to really look at what does work for me and what doesn’t work for me, and what I actually need, rather than, you know, the things that always came up in my jobs, you’ve got to be comfortable with ambiguity. And I’ve never felt comfortable with ambiguity, I like certainty, I like planning, I get anxious, when I don’t know what I’m doing, or how I contribute, or, you know, what is expected of me. And, in my job, there’s a lot of ambiguity, but what I can do is, instead of being brushed off, or we’ll just get comfortable with it, which is just not possible for me to be, I can articulate now, right, these are the things I need to do, until I know what I, you know, what’s expected of me, you know, I can just park it to the side, it can be completely ambiguous, ambiguous, I can’t even say the word. That’s how much I don’t like it, ambiguous. I’ve totally rejected ambiguity now.

Charlotte Speak  14:00 

I won’t even name it.

Rebecca Candy  14:04 

I won’t even accept it exists. But you know, I’m giving myself, and permission is another big word for me, I’m giving myself permission to just let that go and not worry about it until I need to worry about it, until there is some certainty that I can plan around. And so, I’m very much working within my, you know, what is within my control and what’s outside of my control and letting go of some of those other bits. But in the past before, I genuinely, I suppose, understood that this is happening, that is the way I’m built. I’d keep forcing myself to try and be comfortable with ambiguity, but I didn’t ever understand what that meant. So, it is nice as later in life, you can unpick it differently. I mean, there is a bit of sadness that goes along, thinking all these years of imposter syndrome and feeling less in myself has probably held me back in my own self confidence and put my head above the parapet. But perhaps actually, you know, maybe there’s a seren-I can’t say this word either, serendipitous [yeah] moment of discovering this later in life when I have enough life experience to cope with what that might mean for me to not send me in a tailspin. And to look at it with a maturity and also that confidence that comes with experience in life. So yeah, it’s a new chapter, but it just feels now suddenly, I found people that I do feel comfortable with, and I think, oh, yes, this is a community that I can understand. And the same difficulties, although every person who has neurodiversity have completely different, I suppose spikiness of what they lean into, and what they find challenging, but the experience, when you find a challenge, the anxiety, the uncertainty, the overwhelm, the exhaustion, these are all similar impacts of experiencing something that, you know, is really uncomfortable for you. But then I think anybody could probably relate to that. Whether you’ve got neurodiversity or not.

Charlotte Speak  16:13 

Yeah, but it sounds like it’s a different level of understanding for you. Now you’ve, even without the longer-term NHS plan, even with the short term, where you’ve already got to, it sounds like there’s like this crystallisation of what’s important to you and what your actual needs are and I mean, does that lead to clearer conversations in the workplace? Are you able to kind of say, like this is why I’m feeling like this or actually what I need in this moment is, you know, don’t even bother talking to me about ambiguity, for example. Is that one of the practical things that you can do with your new insights?

Rebecca Candy  16:53 

Yeah, that is, and that is definitely the journey I’m very much on at the moment. And luckily, the organisation I work with, you know, we’ve got in house coaches and my people manager is amazing. But I’m working with one of our in house coaches to sort of really look at and be truly honest about what I find comfortable and easy and what I genuinely find difficult because in the past, I’d almost be well, I wouldn’t be in denial with myself but I would overcompensate, make other people feel comfortable, and not sort of say, actually, I need this in a different way. I would do all the legwork to bring to bring myself to where they are. Whereas now I’m starting to shift and think, and you know what? Well, partly I don’t have the energy to do that anymore, being the age that I am and a solo parent, there’s just not enough energy left in me to always go to where everybody else is. Actually, now starting to ask for, right, these are the things that I need, I’m uncomfortable with this, or it doesn’t mean I can’t do it, but it will extend, it’ll take longer, it will take more energy, and you won’t necessarily get the best out of me. But if you can come halfway here, these are the things that, you know, this is where you’ll get the absolute best from me. So yeah, I’ve been doing some soul searching, I wrote a big old list of you know, how to get the best out of Becky, it just helped that conversation. Now there’s some people who don’t even, I don’t even have to have a conversation with because we just gel and it gets on and it’s really easy. But some people where their preferences or their communication styles are the complete opposite to me, so I’m a reflector, I’m more introverted, I like written things and stuff like that if somebody is, you know, an extrovert, and I’m a bit of a planner, as well so I like to know what’s coming. Someone who’s maybe you know, in the moment, is a talker, thinks aloud, you know, and uses all chaotic stuff, or sort of more abstract language. I’m completely lost and that has ended up sometimes for me conflicting in relationships, and in understanding and communication. And then it makes me feel defensive and, you know, I sort of dig my heels in, I don’t really understand what they’re asking for. Whereas now, I think, well, actually, it was their style, and it allows me to say actually, where I can feel us getting tense in this relationship, you know, these are the things, so it doesn’t mean that someone has to always go to everything that I need. But it does allow me quickly now to identify and if I’m upfront with somebody else, where that conflict might happen, yeah, and where those tense moments can happen. So, it’s allowed me to better contract in with people to say, look, this is how you get the best out of me if you can do all of those things, brilliant, if you can do half of those things, you know, fantastic as well. And you know, and it just helps that conversation. And again, it’s one of those things, whether you’re neurodiverse or not. I think these are really important things to have, and contracting has always been part of it, I think for me in the past because I’ve always masked what I really have felt or needed to fit in with other people. I’ve never asked for what I really need. And I think that’s the significant shift for me now is actually giving myself permission to ask people to, you know, to come to where I am a little bit more.

Charlotte Speak  20:16 

That’s the dream in so many ways, isn’t it to be able to work with somebody who can articulate, like, this is me at my best. And this is where I’m going to add most value, it’s a lot of the conversations that I have with people around strengths to say, you know, to be able to bring your whole self to work. And then and that is made up of so many different feeds, isn’t it? And to be able to say, this is where I’m going to be most comfortable and how do we, I think you use the phrase, you know, can you meet me here, if you, it’s not an expectation that somebody’s got to go the whole way to meet everything and tick every box that you’re asking for, but if there’s, you know, something in the middle, or you know, a bit closer to you, or whatever it might be, then that’s really where you start to have, you know, more engaged workforce, isn’t it? And somebody who is able to feel part of a team and that they’re the things that have seemingly been negative feedback, or we’ve told ourselves that are a flaw in us, actually, they are, they are special, and they are unique, and they are also the things that can make us really powerful and really impactful.

Rebecca Candy  21:27 

And it’s switching some of those things, you say the assumption that being comfortable with ambiguity is a good thing. For me, my strength is that I can switch ambiguity very quickly into some sort of plan or an action, because that’s what I seek comfort from, and I can move through ambiguity quite quickly, could it be that I don’t really get it, I don’t understand to my mind is, you know, you just, you’re always doing something, we live and breathe every day, don’t we? We’re always doing actions, so I’m very action focused, and you know, I see something, I do it and that is a strength of mine is to be able to go, okay, from this bubble of stuff, these are the things that we will move on and move forward. So, I think it’s bringing myself completely and really leaning into the strengths that I do have, and not being embarrassed about the difficulties that I might have around that or that maybe most people find, or lots of people might find easy. [Yes.] And just owning it for myself. I mean, like, I don’t have the pull to go back to work in an office environment and I know, it’s not an environment that I worked well in, even when we were in an office environment, and I was a ‘hot-desker.’ [Yeah,] I used to struggle, then I used to work a couple of days from home anyway to allow my balance with being a solo parent and doing that pick up and drop off and go on there. But yeah, come on, I was hot desking, you know, when I looked back at my behaviour, now, I didn’t like just sitting at the desk and lots of people had their headphones in, I found it a little bit odd. You know, I used to find myself just sitting somewhere else away in my own little world, in my own little quiet world. And it’s just so refreshing to be at home and working in that way all the time. I can have no distractions, I choose when my energy works with interacting with people, if I’ve got lots and lots of face-to-face meetings, I say face to face, virtual face to face. I know I need to book timeout in my diary to have just downtime where I’m thinking and I’m working and I’m writing stuff down. Because I know that’s how I do that work. And it’s kind of owning that, to me, that I find that I don’t have to be physically with somebody to make that connection. And it was interesting that I found that through the pandemic, lots of my colleagues found that disconnect really uncomfortable and that was probably the stark thing I kept thinking well that doesn’t feel uncomfortable to me, that feels comfortable. And that’s when you sit there thinking gosh, am I going mad? Why am I not feeling what they’re feeling? And instead of self-doubt, you know, you think well, that’s just the way that my brain is wired and that’s what I feel comfortable with and it’s accepting that and I’m giving myself permission to not do what everyone else feels is comfortable and to work in my best way and still deliver what people need.

Charlotte Speak  24:43 

I feel just empowered listening to you and just incredibly, I don’t know, I guess that motivated, I think, to really own that narrative of who you are and whatever you want to call it, labels, diagnosis, you know, whatever word resonates with you. But that I think it’s like knowledge is where I go to and it’s that knowledge of who you are and when you’re at your best and how you can bring your whole self to the workplace, I think there’s so much power in that and really, it should be simple but I guess, you know, simple isn’t always easy is it? And I think I say, I’d put it in the simple bucket purely because, like, who doesn’t want a workforce that feels that engaged, that feels like they’re able to be themselves and really embrace their way of working? Because that’s where amazing things happen, isn’t it? So, I think it’s just wonderful that you’re able to share your story and I know that it will resonate with a lot of people and hopefully just give, you know, give people a nudge as well, if either, from you as an individual, if you’re sat there thinking, oh, I’m not sure if, if this might be me as well. But also, for those friends around you, if you’re spotting some of these things, I think it’s, nothing will replace a formal diagnosis, but even just having a conversation with people sometimes can be really helpful can’t it.

Rebecca Candy  26:07 

Yeah, I do, and I think it’s just getting to know yourself and really being honest with yourself. Because I think, you know, we all like to fit in, don’t we. Well, I say we all, lots of people like to fit in, and to be part of a crowd and part of a group and you know, you start to modify bits of who you are to do that and that’s where that masking comes in I think and, you know, there were times, because one of my things is, I’ll often interrupt people, because my brain, there seems to be sometimes little filter between what I’m thinking in my head to then what comes out of my mouth. And to fit in, because I know it’s really annoying if I interrupt somebody when they’re mid flow, so it’s something that I try not to, but in, in order to stop myself from doing that, in meetings, I’ll often sit there with my hand physically over my mouth to stop myself from doing that and to sit and wait. The trouble that has for me, so that is to, you know, fit in with other people, the trouble that I have is often I’m interrupting, either because there’s a train of thought that I know, I’m going to absolutely lose and it’s not that I’m deliberately interrupting, it’s like, oh my God, I need to get that out there while they’re saying that because it’s you know, and it’s going to fleet and disappear off, especially my memory is really bad these days. Sometimes it could be, and quite a lot of the time, it could be that my brain has gone ‘I don’t know what you’re talking about,’ you know, especially if they’re being ambiguous. I’m thinking you’re now just talking at me, or you’re talking these words, I don’t know what you’re saying but you’re looking at me as if you’re expecting me to understand it. And this dialogue is often then going in my head. I’m like, well, you’ve got to stop right now and let me ask some questions, because I need to clarify, you know, is this it? Is it that? Yeah, and so I think it is that fine balance of really knowing yourself as to why you’re doing it, are you just being impulsive because you’ve got a thought in your head and in fact, I should just write that thought down rather than just jumping straight in there, so those are the techniques I’m trying to do to stop that. But on those moments where I don’t understand what they’re saying, and what they’re doing, they’re still the right times to often interrupt, in a polite way, because even if they carry on talking, and they’ve lost me already, and they’ve got to backtrack. And I think, you know, let’s not waste any more time here, because I’ve no idea what you’re talking about right now. I know what you think is making sense, but it really isn’t for me right now. And it’s really knowing yourself as to what are your difficulties, and we all like to hide our difficulties don’t we? And it’s just been kind, because I suppose we don’t know, I would never have known I was on this journey and no one else would have ever known I was on this journey. Because if I was struggling, I would hide away, I disappear off. I mean, even when I had depression all those years ago, and I was on medication for it, nobody at work, apart from maybe my line manager who I just told, you know, so that they’re aware, would have known I was depressed because I know how to show up in a bubbly, lively, friendly, smiley way, an interested way every day because I know that’s a learned behaviour. I know that’s what people like to be around, it’s a learned response that I have. And so, all the way through my depression, nobody would have had a clue. What they then don’t see is, you know, that second, you’ve walked out of the office or you’re going home, you know, I might have been in tears, you know, I might have, as soon as I’ve got home, just then sleep for the rest of the evening because I was so exhausted of putting on this face. And so to me, that is the powerful thing that this has gone undiagnosed for so many years and put down to, you know, my depression was put down to reaction to, you know, my dad passed away when I was 17 or, you know any number of things it could have been put down to that there was actually a different struggle going on. And that is the sort of thing that I think we need to be mindful of what we aren’t seeing from people, people will show up a certain way. But that might not always be what they’re feeling. And that’s so key in mental health and I think if you can start to be a bit honest about yourself and show those things just a bit differently, you can get that help sooner. And I think for me, it was actually unpicking for myself, those vulnerabilities that I actually feel every day, although don’t show it necessarily. You know, it shows up as one thing, I suppose, yeah, that’s it, it shows up as one thing of that interrupting, you’re seeing as not listening but that wasn’t the problem, that wasn’t the cause. The discomfort with ambiguity isn’t just because, you know, it’s because my brain likes to plan, it like certainty, I get really anxious and the circumstances, you know, liking to work from home is because of my sensory issues of noise and being interrupted and when I’m in the zone, I like to be in a quiet zone working on something. Because it takes me a while to almost transition from one piece of work to another piece of work and I still get that hyperfocus on things. So yeah, I think there’s a brutal honesty, I think for yourself, you’ve got to really understand yourself first. Before you can genuinely ask for what you need.

Charlotte Speak  31:48 

Yeah. Honestly, Becky, you need to, you need your own show. I think you know, when you’ve got the time and headspace, could you also write a book, please? Just going to put it out there, I’ll definitely come to the launch. It has been such a pleasure to talk to you and thank you for sharing your story so generously. It really is something to behold to listen to, what it’s meant to you on a like a day-to-day basis and the impact in the workplace, and all that has come with your discovery and will continue to. Maybe we need to do a part two in like a month or two time and see what the new learnings have been and where, if you’re still on the waiting list, [I probably will be, yeah.] So, thank you so much. It’s been an absolute pleasure to talk to you and hopefully we will have another conversation in the future.

Rebecca Candy  32:42 

Thank you, Charlotte.

Charlotte Speak 1  32:46 

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